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: : sorry forgot to add scroll : : Dead Sea or The Torah? : : : — : …
: : Honest to God, David, : : Get real. : : : : : : : : : — : : …
: : : : : : : : : : : : I think I would want at least to attempt to find out what was : *really* : : : causing the disturbed person to run around yelling obscenities, etc. : : : : : : You are not going to find that out on ASAP. : : : : : : I think it would be as possible to find that out on ASAP as it would : : : in an rl group. What’s the difference, as you see it? : : : : : : I : : : would also expect that members of the group would co-operate in : : : attempting to reason with the disturbed individual, and to calm : : : him/her. : : : : : : That’s been tried for the last several months and didn’t work. You : don’t : : : understand trolls. : : : : : : : : : Still, I think I understand the nature of the human being who is : : : making the troll posts, though I don’t condone his hehavior. A human : : : being is more important than the concept of "troll", a concept that’s : : : too narrowly reductive, IMO. This is a mental health support group, : : : not merely a discussion forum. It’s concerned with people, not : : : concepts. : : : : Oh for fuck’s sake, : : concept……idea thought, abstract notion….=troll : : in this case add the evidence to the concept and : : you have REAL LIFE : : bingo bango : : I think your measures to rehab Bob et al would be better : : thought out in alt.oxymoron happy. : : and facts….a troll(concept)doing trollish things(harmful : : things=facts/evidence) = real life=abuse, hurt feelings and : : invalidation concerns/affects PEOPLE. : : : : Simple as that. : : ;-( : : : : : : : : : -David- : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
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Honest to God, David, Get real. ;-(
I’m real already, Cheryl. h for fuck’s sake, concept……idea thought, abstract notion….=troll in this case add the evidence to the concept and you have REAL LIFE bingo bango I think your measures to rehab Bob et al would be better thought out in alt.oxymoron happy. and facts….a troll(concept)doing trollish things(harmful things=facts/evidence) = real life=abuse, hurt
If this ng is about people, human beings, then the "troll", too, who participates here, is a person, a human being. To dismiss his humanity with the word "troll" is an act of blocking and denial, IMO. And in my opinion there is already too much denial on this newsgroup with regard to emotional issues. -David-
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: : : : sorry forgot to add scroll : : : Dead Sea or The Torah? : : Toilet paper….. : : Ah yes, the double scrolls, too 
They will fuck up your whole system…… better to stick with one ply. : : …..which I heard your wrote your memoirs on : : I ran out of ink? <puking please tell me you wrote with a Qtip. :
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: Honest to God, David, : Get real. : : : : — : …
: : : : : : : : I think I would want at least to attempt to find out what was *really* : : causing the disturbed person to run around yelling obscenities, etc. : : : : You are not going to find that out on ASAP. : : : : I think it would be as possible to find that out on ASAP as it would : : in an rl group. What’s the difference, as you see it? : : : : I : : would also expect that members of the group would co-operate in : : attempting to reason with the disturbed individual, and to calm : : him/her. : : : : That’s been tried for the last several months and didn’t work. You don’t : : understand trolls. : : : : : : Still, I think I understand the nature of the human being who is : : making the troll posts, though I don’t condone his hehavior. A human : : being is more important than the concept of "troll", a concept that’s : : too narrowly reductive, IMO. This is a mental health support group, : : not merely a discussion forum. It’s concerned with people, not : : concepts. : : Oh for fuck’s sake, : concept……idea thought, abstract notion….=troll : in this case add the evidence to the concept and : you have REAL LIFE : bingo bango : I think your measures to rehab Bob et al would be better : thought out in alt.oxymoron happy. : and facts….a troll(concept)doing trollish things(harmful : things=facts/evidence) = real life=abuse, hurt feelings and : invalidation concerns/affects PEOPLE. : : Simple as that. : ;-( : : : : : : -David- : : : : : : :
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Honest to God, David, Get real. ;-( — …
: : : : I think I would want at least to attempt to find out what was *really* : causing the disturbed person to run around yelling obscenities, etc. : : You are not going to find that out on ASAP. : : I think it would be as possible to find that out on ASAP as it would : in an rl group. What’s the difference, as you see it? : : I : would also expect that members of the group would co-operate in : attempting to reason with the disturbed individual, and to calm : him/her. : : That’s been tried for the last several months and didn’t work. You don’t : understand trolls. : : : Still, I think I understand the nature of the human being who is : making the troll posts, though I don’t condone his hehavior. A human : being is more important than the concept of "troll", a concept that’s : too narrowly reductive, IMO. This is a mental health support group, : not merely a discussion forum. It’s concerned with people, not : concepts. Oh for fuck’s sake, concept……idea thought, abstract notion….=troll in this case add the evidence to the concept and you have REAL LIFE bingo bango I think your measures to rehab Bob et al would be better thought out in alt.oxymoron happy. and facts….a troll(concept)doing trollish things(harmful things=facts/evidence) = real life=abuse, hurt feelings and invalidation concerns/affects PEOPLE. Simple as that. ;-( : : : -David- : :
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I think I would want at least to attempt to find out what was *really* causing the disturbed person to run around yelling obscenities, etc. You are not going to find that out on ASAP.
I think it would be as possible to find that out on ASAP as it would in an rl group. What’s the difference, as you see it? I would also expect that members of the group would co-operate in attempting to reason with the disturbed individual, and to calm him/her. That’s been tried for the last several months and didn’t work. You don’t understand trolls.
Still, I think I understand the nature of the human being who is making the troll posts, though I don’t condone his hehavior. A human being is more important than the concept of "troll", a concept that’s too narrowly reductive, IMO. This is a mental health support group, not merely a discussion forum. It’s concerned with people, not concepts. -David-
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I think I would want at least to attempt to find out what was *really* causing the disturbed person to run around yelling obscenities, etc.
You are not going to find that out on ASAP. And even if you did, that disturbed person would still be abusive to other people. I would also expect that members of the group would co-operate in attempting to reason with the disturbed individual, and to calm him/her.
That’s been tried for the last several months and didn’t work. You don’t understand trolls. -David-
Chip
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Dustin…there’s this thing called blocking or filtering. There is still a lot of good here. I truly wish people would simply ignore the trolls, but even if they don’t, I can prevent myself from reading the trash.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand that you love ASAP and do not want to leave but if you all choose to stay here and listen to it I do not see what the problem is. I made a board that is safe from these idiots and I am trying to encourage the great supportive people of ASAP to come join us. If the spams and lame verbal abuse gets too annoying feel free to come join us at http://pub3.ezboard.com/basapaltsupportanxietypanic74313 Take care P.S. If you choose to stay here I wish you the best of luck dealing with all the garbage..
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Life contains a lot of garbage. Sometimes it’s better to stay and confront it. That’s what my cbt taught me. -David- David, I do agree with you to an extent. CBT does teach us to confront our fears BUT what is logical and helpful to confront is another thing entirely. Lets say you were shot in a bad part of town and had post traumatic stress disorder. To confront it you might start driving through the bad neighborhood again but you would not shoot yourself in the foot to confront the shooting itself :) Dustin why don’t you offer to help out with a moderated anxiety group? with a bit more help it should be easy to set one up in a couple weeks or even less.
Nah,..flipping ping-pong balls in your mouth is more fun. Jason
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I mean think of it like this. This is a support group yeah? Lets say it was a real life support group you were going to at a local meeting. How often would you return if when you walked in the room there was some idiot running around yelling obscenities and bouncing up and down crazed, yelling things like clique clique cliquett this and that all out of context and making no sense at all?
I think I would want at least to attempt to find out what was *really* causing the disturbed person to run around yelling obscenities, etc. I would also expect that members of the group would co-operate in attempting to reason with the disturbed individual, and to calm him/her. To some extent, that’s already happened here at asap, but it could be more effective if more people joined in. Now what if he and the others like him yelled so loud and so long that none of the people in the room could discuss their problems?
Well, you have a point there. But the advantage of cyberspace is that it can be – and here on asap is – soundless. The power of words extends beyond sound – words can be formulated in writing, and written words can often be much more effective than shouted or spoken ones. Now right next door there is another group going on that does not allow this bouncing crazed individual in unless he behaves himself. I would go to the later myself ;)
Well, perhaps asap needs to borrow some cognitive behavioral know-how from the said group. That shouldn’t be impossible -Usenet newsgroups can learn from one another. BTW I have nothing against your own web forum – it’s just that this has been tried in the past, usually as a temporary expedient, and hasn’t lasted. asap does last – even through the postings and floodings of alexplore, which IMO were much worse than anything asap is experiencing at the moment, as they were a form of malicious disinformation. -David-
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Life contains a lot of garbage. Sometimes it’s better to stay and confront it. That’s what my cbt taught me. -David-
David, I do agree with you to an extent. CBT does teach us to confront our fears BUT what is logical and helpful to confront is another thing entirely. Lets say you were shot in a bad part of town and had post traumatic stress disorder. To confront it you might start driving through the bad neighborhood again but you would not shoot yourself in the foot to confront the shooting itself :) I mean think of it like this. This is a support group yeah? Lets say it was a real life support group you were going to at a local meeting. How often would you return if when you walked in the room there was some idiot running around yelling obscenities and bouncing up and down crazed, yelling things like clique clique cliquett this and that all out of context and making no sense at all? Now what if he and the others like him yelled so loud and so long that none of the people in the room could discuss their problems? Now right next door there is another group going on that does not allow this bouncing crazed individual in unless he behaves himself. I would go to the later myself ;) Take care http://pub3.ezboard.com/basapaltsupportanxietypanic74313
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I understand that you love ASAP and do not want to leave but if you all choose to stay here and listen to it I do not see what the problem is. I made a board that is safe from these idiots and I am trying to encourage the great supportive people of ASAP to come join us. If the spams and lame verbal abuse gets too annoying feel free to come join us at http://pub3.ezboard.com/basapaltsupportanxietypanic74313 Take care P.S. If you choose to stay here I wish you the best of luck dealing with all the garbage..
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I understand that you love ASAP and do not want to leave but if you all choose to stay here and listen to it I do not see what the problem is. I made a board that is safe from these idiots and I am trying to encourage the great supportive people of ASAP to come join us. If the spams and lame verbal abuse gets too annoying feel free to come join us at http://pub3.ezboard.com/basapaltsupportanxietypanic74313 Take care P.S. If you choose to stay here I wish you the best of luck dealing with all the garbage..
Dustin, Life contains a lot of garbage. Sometimes it’s better to stay and confront it. That’s what my cbt taught me. -David-
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