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rk: Truth is there for all to see. It is not restricted to readers and thumpers of books. The Truth I speak of is Eternal, stands on its own, and is not born of OPT (other people’s thoughts) books . ac: Ray, there is no such thing as truth… or even Truth. Let your beliefs become as pliable as a rubber ducky. The universe is what it is. It is impossible to grab the universe by the tail and believe you have the truth (or Truth). rk: Look to your own statement above, Allen. There you will find your own compensatory rationalization for failing to understand that which you may easily "talkabout" and find it impossible to "speak directly of." ac: Oh no. That’s an experience, but it is only an experience. There’s no need to get all attached just because you’ve had experiences! rk: Allen, you have reached the point wherein the medium of letter of the word language skills fails at its impossible task. You lack the necessary awareness to resonate with the vibratory essence that makes communication whole. You have come to the end of your Intellectual tether and so stop at intellectual conclusion. rk: You, like all intellectuals, do not understand yourself beyond the measure of words, therefore you cannot understand TRUTH, and be atone" with its unmistakable, irrefutable essence. ac: The sensation of all-knowingness is well-known. But it is not truth (TRUTH). The Pope thinks he has TRUTH, Jerry Falwell thinks he has TRUTH, Osama bin Laden thinks he has TRUTH. Most spiritual folks get to the place wherein they think they have TRUTH, but that’s just another layer that needs to get peeled off, Ray! rk: The key to the level of consciousness you refer to are the words, "THINKS," "KNOWS," "EXPERIENCES." Most assuredly, these states of dualisitic consciousness are to be "peeled" away to allow UNDERSTANDING to be. Even an intellect will AGREE that these are vastly different vibratory states of beingness. rk: Your words ring with intellectual authority, but lack the distinct and inimitable resonance which is the hallmark of Truth. ac: That’s because I’ve overcome the duality and ego gratification that is the underlying foundation of this ridiculous TRUTH business. rk: One who claims to have ". . .overcome (dualistic achievement) the duality and ego gratification", yet "judges" TRUTH to be a ridiculous business, is still at the self-masturbatory stage of ego gratification while he tarries at the Idea of Truth found at the peripheral level of Intellectualism. ac: I know that I don’t know and I know now that I will never know and that there is no need to know because existence is not static. rk: If you have not yet transcended the limited realm of static dualistic knowledge, how can you speak TRUTHFULLY of that which is beyond the static intellectual realm? ac: Knowing ‘TRUTH’ depends on an unchangeable manifested existence. rk: You speak of your own timebound ideas via a speculative repetoire of words. TRUTH is LIVING. Its essence is beyond TIME. ac: TRUTH cannot comprehend but what is fixed and, frankly, without life. rk: First UNDERSTAND Truth, an holistic essence beyond the dead, timebound idea you presently hold of Truth, and you will not be exposed for talking "over your head." (see below comment regarding argumentative fluff.) rk: They, your words, like so many others on these popular newsgroups/forums, reflect the politically/religiously-correct sound-byte type of conditioned thinking that pervades a society of corrupted spiritual beings and are therefore just so much illusory argumentative fluff. ac: Ray, I’ve been looking for an authority that has written to my realization that TRUTH doesn’t exist–but I can’t find anything! rk: It is because in the intellectually transcendent, nondualistic realm of WHAT IS, there exists NO AUTHORITY but the AUTHORITY of TRUTH, GOD, INFINITE INTELLIGENCE itself! One resonates "at-one" with its unmistakable essence or one pretends such resonance as do the preachers you mention above who bedazzle ignoramuses by playing verbal games at the superficial level of a Satanically ruled Intellect ac: Ray, I am out here alone with this TRUTH stuff… this is miles and miles away from any political correctness. rk: One is always alone (all one) in Truth. How else could it be? ac: In fact, haven’t you ever noticed that just about every religious spokesman uses the word ‘TRUTH’ to extreme excess? That’s where I see ‘political correctness’. rk: The "tools of their trade" are words and images, sans the Divine Intelligence necessary to bring dead words to life. rk: They appeal to the dualism driven ignorant, but fall flat when mirrored by the starkness of nondualisticTruth. ac: There can be no nondualistic truth. The concept of Truth needs its dualistic counterpart just to exist in the mind! rk: There you go again, attempting to contain the ocean of nondualistic TRUTH in the dualistic thimble of Intellect. ac: Surrender to the stream of existence and let the ‘Truth’ roll away back into the corner marked Experiences Gained. rk: The Truth is WHAT IS. ac: Existence is too fluid to be frozen into TRUTH. rk: Such statement only reveals that you haven’t an inkling of what TRUTH IS!! rk: It is whole, nondualistic, unfragmented. ac: Whole in comparison to broken? Nondualistic because it isn’t false? Unfragmented because it is a perfect picture in a universe of countless actions, reactions and wills? rk: Look at your statement above. You seem to insist upon intellectualizing that which is beyond the ken of Intellect. Is not the lesson learned when you constantly come up short with such shallow conclusions? rk: Its resonance lies both beyond and within the word, the symbol communicated by one human being to another at the level of Intellect. ac: The practice of nonduality is top notch, but the dogma that supports it is escapist. rk: The "practice" of anything denotes a time-bound consciousness. The practice of the "idea" of nonduality is not the actual state of nonduality. Such self-delusions therefore lead to the present confusion to which you now find yourself bound. rk: It is civilized man’s failure to recognize that the IDEA of Truth is a mere reflection, a fragment, a part of the whole which is believed by an intellect to be the whole. That is the self-deception man has played upon himself since his "Fall from Grace," when he sought to be a "god" (the unhealthy ego) in his own right. ac: I disagree. Man’s fall from grace was his aquisition of Mind before his time. rk: ". . . before his time" eh? See what I mean about the capacity of the time-bound Satanic Intellect for positing endless speculative projections when butting up to its self-realized limitations when the timeless is just the next step away? rk: One must eschew the dualistic path of spiritually blind and Fallen from Grace, lemming-like civilized (thought controlled) sheeple and surrender to holistic (nondualistic) Divine Intelligence, for therein lies all the answers which liberate the soul. ac: You present dual paths, one is the cool one (nondualistic) and the other one lame (dualistic). Why only two choices? rk: I have only expressed nondualistic TRUTH. It is you who has interpreted it into dualistic structures with which you are familiar and comfortable. The simple fact is, we have not communicated. ac: Spirituality has no place in government, unless you’re looking to reincarnate some sort of heinous theocracy. rk: : See what I mean about jumping to errant conclusions? You like so many have missed the essence of my simple message. A message that, if understood in its utter simplicity, would sound the death knell for HELL ON EARTH. Raymond Karczewski — When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. Ruminations of a Living Christ http://www.arkenterprises.com —–= Posted via Newsfeed.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeed.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== 90,000 Groups! – 17 Servers! – Unlimited Download! =—–
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rk: Truth is there for all to see. It is not restricted to readers and thumpers of books. The Truth I speak of is Eternal, stands on its own, and is not born of OPT (other people’s thoughts) books . ac: Ray, there is no such thing as truth… or even Truth. Let your beliefs become as pliable as a rubber ducky. The universe is what it is. It is impossible to grab the universe by the tail and believe you have the truth (or Truth). rk: Look to your own statement above, Allen. There you will find your own compensatory rationalization for failing to understand that which you may easily "talk about" and find it impossible to "speak directly of." You, like all intellectuals, do not understand yourself beyond the measure of words, therefore you cannot understand TRUTH, and be "atone" with its unmistakable, irrefutable essence. rk: Your words ring with intellectual authority, but lack the distinct and inimitable resonance which is the hallmark of Truth. They, your words, like so many others on these popular newsgroups/forums, reflect the politically/religiously-correct sound-byte type of conditioned thinking that pervades a society of corrupted spiritual beings and are therefore just so much illusory argumentative fluff. They appeal to the dualism driven ignorant, but fall flat when mirrored by the starkness of nondualisticTruth. rk: The Truth is WHAT IS. It is whole, nondualistic, unfragmented. Its resonance lies both beyond and within the word, the symbol communicated by one human being to another at the level of Intellect. It is civilized man’s failure to recognize that the IDEA of Truth is a mere reflection, a fragment, a part of the whole which is believed by an intellect to be the whole. That is the self-deception man has played upon himself since his "Fall from Grace," when he sought to be a "god" (the unhealthy ego) in his own right. rk: One must eschew the dualistic path of spiritually blind and Fallen from Grace, lemming-like civilized (thought controlled) sheeple and surrender to holistic (nondualistic) Divine Intelligence, for therein lies all the answers which liberate the soul. ac: Spirituality has no place in government, unless you’re looking to reincarnate some sort of heinous theocracy. rk: See what I mean about jumping to errant conclusions? You like so many have missed the essence of my simple message. A message that, if understood in its utter simplicity, would sound the death knell for HELL ON EARTH. Raymond Karczewski — When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. Ruminations of a Living Christ http://www.arkenterprises.com —–= Posted via Newsfeed.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeed.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== 90,000 Groups! – 17 Servers! – Unlimited Download! =—–
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ac: Ray, look at that old Bible paragraph. You can’t serve both mammon and god. rk; Allen, I’m surprised at the lack of spiritual discrimination demonstrated by your comment. I expected more from you. rk: Truth is there for all to see. It is not restricted to readers and thumpers of books. The Truth I speak of is Eternal, stands on its own, and is not born of OPT (other people’s thoughts) books . rk: One must eschew the dualistic path of spiritually blind and Fallen from Grace, lemming-like civilized (thought controlled) sheeple and surrender to holistic (nondualistic) Divine Intelligence, for therein lies all the answers which liberate the soul. Ray Karczewski — When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. Ruminations of a Living Christ http://www.arkenterprises.com —–= Posted via Newsfeed.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeed.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== 90,000 Groups! – 17 Servers! – Unlimited Download! =—–
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Dear Doug and Phyllis; I find it best to respond to your letter point by point. Hello,Ray & Anita:- Doug: It has taken us (Phyllis & Myself) all this time to answer your e-mail letter of April 16, 2002.Much prayer, frequent asking of our Father in heaven to provide the assistance of the Holy Spirit, was involved. Ray: And well you should have! Doug: The outcome has been that I/we can not become involved in the belief that the answer and or solution to the world’s problems is Anarchy, 1. " The complete absence of government and law. 2. "political disorder and violance; "hence, 3. "disorder in any sphere of activity." Ray: Doug, it would appear that you misunderstood me at the level I was communicating. The essence I was speaking of was not the political interpretation of "anarchy." It was at the essence of one who understands the conflict of living rigidly according to man’s law when God’s Law is all encompassing. Ray: It is the difference between living holistically or living dividedly. Man’s law is a poor substitute for bringing about "Peace on Earth." Human history is testimony to that fact. In fact, man’s law, by its very nature of dualism and control, is quite easily seen to be the cause of division and conflict, the ingredients which keep pitting man against man and which engender endless wars and suffering. Ask yourself if our Spiritual Brother Jesus NEEDED to be controlled by such "laws of man" for him to function while being "in this world but not of it"? Doug: After spending 3 1/2 years in combat during WW 11 & being blown out of a shell hole on August 1943 in Sicily and suffering severe concussion and what is now known as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, I do not comprehend how anyone could expect me to condone the belief that the answer to the solution is anarchy. Ray: Again, Doug, words are sometimes more of a barrier to communication than they are facilitators. We did not come to an understanding in our talk. You apprehended the superficial meaning of the words (the letter of the word and their usual semantical meaning), but you did not pick up on the deeper essence — the spirit of the words — which can only be grasped when the quietness of intellect allows for the telepathic communication to supplement the denotative meaning of the word.. When the letter of the word is the sole basis for communication, there can only be agreement or disagreement. Unless both the letter of the word and the Spirit of the word are grasped holistically (from which the word "HOLY" is derived), there can be no understanding. Ray: I bring your attention to the feel of our communication when Anita and I were at your home. It was quite beyond the letter of the words used, was it not? Ray: It is that which must be examined deeper, beyond the level of words used. There are many ways to speak the same TRUTH, as LOVE can attest to. Doug: We realize that there are many things wrong with this country and this world. The solution is in our belief that our relationship with God is the only answer. Ray: But to have that holistic relationship with God, must not we have the same holistic relationship with each other? Admittedly, I am shocking to those who follow a particular conditioned viewpoint, be it religious or political. It is not because I OPPOSE them, for I OPPOSE no one. The shock comes from my nonsupport of that which I perceive to be dualistic conditioned belief seeking reinforcement. In other words, Doug, my God is Truth. Doug: The closer that relationship becomes the more difficult it will be for us to maintain that relationship, because the evil entity known as Satan will keep forcing his wedge of hate between us and the love of God. Ray: On that point, you and I UNDERSTAND each other. Doug: We thank you for your visit. I will keep researching in regard to Alex Jones and his reasons for his videos. I am sure it will prove out that some of his documentations are honest, but again I repeat that I do not believe that He, you, or we have found the complete solution to the world problems, but with God’s help, our talks (Prayers) with Him they will be solved. Ray: If you lived in the time of Jesus, would you make the same statement to Him, sans any prior knowledge of Him when such contact was made? TRUTH is a hard pill to swallow. It is never welcome in a world which is ruled by dualistic thought control (religious and political conditioning). Doug: We can not have anarchy and abide by the other covenant which Jesus gave us, "Love thy neighbor as thy love thyself." It will not work. It will not solve the problems. Doug: God Blesses You and Yours, Our Prayers Are Constant, Doug & Phyllis Blair. Ray: Doug, I suspect you have not read much of what I have written on my board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm I abhor war and bloody revolution. My approach to reclaiming our presently Satanic ruled world is the peaceful, non-bloody act of BOYCOTT, for I long ago learned the lesson of "RESIST NOT EVIL." Ray: Thank you for you candidness. I must assume that you have finished with the tape I left with you. Either Anita or I will pick it up when we next go into town. Ray: Doug, because of the importance of this subject of communication, I would like to post this publicly on the Internet for all, Christians and non-Christians alike to read. Ray: I would like your permission to do so. If you wish, I can strip away your identity(s) before posting it. I personally perceive this communication will go a long way toward opening the eyes of many as to the perils of communication based solely on the letter of words. Ray: If you would like your name to remain, all the better. Ray: If you would reply to this with a Yea or Nay to the posting of this communication, I would appreciate it. Our Best to You and Phyllis, Ray and Anita — When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. Ruminations of a Living Christ http://www.arkenterprises.com —–= Posted via Newsfeed.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeed.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== 90,000 Groups! – 17 Servers! – Unlimited Download! =—–
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