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I am, after finally getting a diagnosis that made sense of my years of hell. I’m 32 now, the physical abuse stopped about 20 years ago. Does EVERYONE that gets abused get PTSD or is it not common? Kristine
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I am, after finally getting a diagnosis that made sense of my years of hell. I’m 32 now, the physical abuse stopped about 20 years ago. Does EVERYONE that gets abused get PTSD or is it not common? Kristine
I think "betrayal trauma" is more accurate than "ptsd". You should stick with your therapist on this, of course, but there is no reason not to look at Jennifer Freyd’s book. It is very common. Greg — A man may happen to believe himself the guardian of a message, whereas he is nothing but the coffin in which it lies buried. Mani
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Hi, as you may know, I’m not recovering in the U.S., so I have a couple of questions for anyone. As I have understood it, the PTSD diagnosis was not intended as a name on A disease, more like a Syndrom-type diagnosis, you have several symptoms pointing in a spesific direction, but not A disease. Isn’t it so? I mean, there is a difference between "i had a traumatic experience that left me with a disease" and "I have certain late effects caused by a traumatic exp., a kind of symptoms often referred to as…" I feel like I’m hairsplitting now…a bit embarrased…but: Why this diagnosis? For filling in forms? (Might be a good thing, yes) Or is there any other meaning to this that I haven’t seen? The diagnosis has not become common among survivors in Norway, but it is in use for Ex-UN soldiers and such. I have been thinking about "getting one" my own, to lighten the burden of facing the system and it’s well-known obstacles. Tia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am, after finally getting a diagnosis that made sense of my years of hell. I’m 32 now, the physical abuse stopped about 20 years ago. Does EVERYONE that gets abused get PTSD or is it not common? Kristine I think "betrayal trauma" is more accurate than "ptsd". You should stick with your therapist on this, of course, but there is no reason not to look at Jennifer Freyd’s book. It is very common. Greg — A man may happen to believe himself the guardian of a message, whereas he is nothing but the coffin in which it lies buried. Mani
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In article I am, after finally getting a diagnosis that made sense of my years of hell. I’m 32 now, the physical abuse stopped about 20 years ago. Does EVERYONE that gets abused get PTSD or is it not common? Kristine It is very common in children/adults who were sensorily overwhelmed by their experiences. Those who were gradually brought into their abuse are less likely to show the disassociative aspects of PTSD. Colin
you dont even have to be abused i think – on my return flight i was seated next to a guy – i forget his name – his left leg was in a hoffman device (it has steel pins going into the bone to hold it in position). he fell from a ladder and his foot got caught between the rungs and he had a nasty compound fracture just above his ankle he said he still has nightmares and will *never* get on a ladder again – i told him he had ptsd – i guess the difference for him is that he can get through life pretty easily without needing to use a ladder. luv noen — You and I will be dust when this labor is fulfilled, when Earth expels its forgotten silent secret, or perhaps we too will at last awaken. For we also lie buried within the countless years and lives, struggling and unaware that we are thus embedded within Time. http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!
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Hello Tia:) Thank you for asking that question because i am realy clueless myself too. i never heard of dutch ways to express PTSD or dissassociation (SP?) and haven’t got a clue what symptoms it has or what they are talking about. Tia you are my hero for daring to ask it……Thank you so much, annelies
: Hi, : as you may know, I’m not recovering in the U.S., so I have a couple of questions : for anyone. : As I have understood it, the PTSD diagnosis was not intended as a name on A disease, : more like a Syndrom-type diagnosis, you have several symptoms pointing in a spesific : direction, but not A disease. Isn’t it so? : I mean, there is a difference between "i had a traumatic experience that left me : with a disease" and "I have certain late effects caused by a traumatic exp., a kind : of symptoms often referred to as…" : I feel like I’m hairsplitting now…a bit embarrased…but: : Why this diagnosis? For filling in forms? (Might be a good thing, yes) Or is there : any other meaning to this that I haven’t seen? : The diagnosis has not become common among survivors in Norway, but it is in use for : Ex-UN soldiers and such. I have been thinking about "getting one" my own, to : lighten the burden of facing the system and it’s well-known obstacles. : Tia : : I am, after finally getting a diagnosis that made sense of my years of hell. : I’m 32 now, the physical abuse stopped about 20 years ago. Does EVERYONE that : gets abused get PTSD or is it not common? : Kristine : : I think "betrayal trauma" is more accurate than "ptsd". You should : stick with your therapist on this, of course, but there is no reason : not to look at Jennifer Freyd’s book. : : It is very common. : : Greg : : — : : A man may happen to believe himself the guardian of a message, : whereas he is nothing but the coffin in which it lies buried. Mani — "And you can’t fight the tears that ain’t coming Or the mourning of truth in your lies When everything feels like in the movies Yeah you bleed just to know you’re alive" Goo Goo Dolls- Iris
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annelies (a sweet name, by the way, I like seeing it around) Well, I know what it stands for: Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. As far as I know, the symptoms are very general: Disturbed sleeping patterns, nightmares, depression, anxiety, the ordinary mixed salad. This is what I am not sure of: does the diagnosis say anything more spesific? If not, is there any help in using it? Tia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Tia:) Thank you for asking that question because i am realy clueless myself too. i never heard of dutch ways to express PTSD or dissassociation (SP?) and haven’t got a clue what symptoms it has or what they are talking about. Tia you are my hero for daring to ask it……Thank you so much, annelies : Hi, : as you may know, I’m not recovering in the U.S., so I have a couple of questions : for anyone. : As I have understood it, the PTSD diagnosis was not intended as a name on A disease, : more like a Syndrom-type diagnosis, you have several symptoms pointing in a spesific : direction, but not A disease. Isn’t it so? : I mean, there is a difference between "i had a traumatic experience that left me : with a disease" and "I have certain late effects caused by a traumatic exp., a kind : of symptoms often referred to as…" : I feel like I’m hairsplitting now…a bit embarrased…but: : Why this diagnosis? For filling in forms? (Might be a good thing, yes) Or is there : any other meaning to this that I haven’t seen? : The diagnosis has not become common among survivors in Norway, but it is in use for : Ex-UN soldiers and such. I have been thinking about "getting one" my own, to : lighten the burden of facing the system and it’s well-known obstacles. : Tia : : I am, after finally getting a diagnosis that made sense of my years of hell. : I’m 32 now, the physical abuse stopped about 20 years ago. Does EVERYONE that : gets abused get PTSD or is it not common? : Kristine : : I think "betrayal trauma" is more accurate than "ptsd". You should : stick with your therapist on this, of course, but there is no reason : not to look at Jennifer Freyd’s book. : : It is very common. : : Greg : : — : : A man may happen to believe himself the guardian of a message, : whereas he is nothing but the coffin in which it lies buried. Mani — "And you can’t fight the tears that ain’t coming Or the mourning of truth in your lies When everything feels like in the movies Yeah you bleed just to know you’re alive" Goo Goo Dolls- Iris
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Hello:-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes Hi, as you may know, I’m not recovering in the U.S., so I have a couple of questions for anyone. As I have understood it, the PTSD diagnosis was not intended as a name on A disease, more like a Syndrom-type diagnosis, you have several symptoms pointing in a spesific direction, but not A disease. Isn’t it so? no, it’s not a disease. it’s a *disorder* post traumatic stress disorder I mean, there is a difference between "i had a traumatic experience that left me with a disease" and "I have certain late effects caused by a traumatic exp., a kind of symptoms often referred to as…" I feel like I’m hairsplitting now…a bit embarrased…but: Why this diagnosis? For filling in forms? (Might be a good thing, yes) Or is there any other meaning to this that I haven’t seen? it’s helpful to know that a person has diabetes afore you give them insulin.
But what I mean is: They can’t treat me because they labeled me PTSD, they would still need to know what exactly is my problem, what exactly is my story. I may have problems not included in PTSD and I may NOT have some of those that are included. Good thing is, you can get diagnosed and say: well, it is proven I have all signs of having been in a war. It is written on my soul. Anyone who wants to call that in question? So because of that, I have thought of finding somewhere that I can be examined, to see if I fit. It might feel as proof that something did happen. Tia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the same goes for ptsd, it’s helpful to know how extensive the effects are, what treatment options there are, etc. though i’ve never been officially diagnosed with ptsd (my therp and her coworkers don’t like diagnosis labels so they don’t officially give anyone them unless there’s actually mental disease) my therps have referred to me as a survivor, a veteran etc. ptsd was first diagnosed/named by drs. treating vietnam war veterans. but through the past wars it’s had a name: battle fatigue from world war 2, shell shock from world war 1. it’s been around a while but so far as i know until after the vietnam war it was only applied to military personnel. and sometimes the diagnosis is for filling in forms for insurance or stats. take care tribble eagles may soar, but tribbles don’t get sucked into jet engines — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: http://asarian-host.org/emailform.html
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Hey, Tia & Annelies. I plugged PTSD into a Yahoo search engine, and came up with some info. annelies (a sweet name, by the way, I like seeing it around) Well, I know what it stands for: Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. As far as I know, the symptoms are very general: Disturbed sleeping patterns, nightmares, depression, anxiety, the ordinary mixed salad. This is what I am not sure of: does the diagnosis say anything more spesific? If not, is there any help in using it? Tia
FWIW, my clinical diagnosis is PTSD, so I’m no stranger to it. I found the following description that seems to suit: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD): Re-experiencing the trauma in memories and dreams, avoiding anything reminiscent of the event, memory loss, emotional numbing, sleep disturbance, anxiety. Usually, there is a related depression, too. That definition is: loss of hope, self-worth, motivation, or purpose in life; fatigue, decreased pleasure in previously enjoyed activities, changes in sleep and appetite, suicidal thoughts or actions. This was a decent link: http://www.ncptsd.org/Survivors.html This one surprised me, by putting PTSD into two definitions, one for Americans, one for Europeans: http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-an06.html Hope these help!
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Hi Kristine…. I can’t even pretend to know the answer to your question here, but from what I have learned over the years, I do know that many people who were abused do have PTSD, to one extent or another. Unfortunately, I don’t know that its possible to "pigeon-hole" abuse survivors into one or another diagnosis. There are simply too many variables. I have also been diagnosed with PTSD, and I recognize that that is part of my problem, but that’s not all of it. I realize that this won’t necessarily help matters much, and maybe someone else in the group will have better statistical information, but whether everyone who has ever been abused has been diagnosed with PTSD or not, at least you should learn now that you aren’t alone; not with the abuse, not with the after-effects, and not with your diagnosis. Take care… Laurie I am, after finally getting a diagnosis that made sense of my years of hell. I’m 32 now, the physical abuse stopped about 20 years ago. Does EVERYONE that gets abused get PTSD or is it not common? Kristine
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