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In article <19635-3883AA15…@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - damod…@webtv.net wrote: > –WebTV-Mail-10618-3227 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > Yes Al. > I was in Pleiku from March 68 to March 69.. I never saw a dead american > but when I looked up the men I was with I stopped at ten. Five were dead > less then five years later. 50% died ithin five years. > It wasn’t nice. > We die from accidents you know. > Much higher then the rest of the population for some reason. > Yes it bothers me. > Much of my life is reflected from my measely little year in Nam. > Searching vietnamese and vehicles for military contaband can be > stessful. > It was for me but I am treated as a cry baby because I didn’t see dead > americans. I seen a couple flip out screaming and trashing the place now > and then. I went meny days without sleep. > I was tantalized by my officers. > But…I’m a cry babie. > I don’t accept that. > I’ll never kill for their moral authority again. I didn’t realize how > the government works. I made a horrible mistake and wish I could take it > all back. > We had the highest ideals when we went there Al. > Yeah I’m a vet. > Damo
– Nam changed a whole lot of people when the eyes were opened, most had a hard time not so much from all the action which had a lot to do with it, but in trying to adjust to things when we see it all in black and white and realize that they hung one in us and played a lot of head games at our expense. Mine was just one of the companies that was in the wrong places at the wrong time, I was A Company and the folks from B Company only came under fire twice from a sniper and one man killed from friendly fire which is all the action they saw, but my buddy from B company is still in bad shape between the ears and would go insane if he did not stay busy, but he still has PTSD to the extreem as his life was never the same after being home, maybe the confusion when we want to believe in the cause but know it was not honorable which just leaves the job and we did our job. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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I can’t imagine what it must have been like being there. I’m too young to have been considered, plus I’m Canadian anyway. My only impression of what it must have been like comes from my imagination and movies like Platoon. It simply blows my mind. To be wrapped up in that whole kill or be killed mentality must have been terrifying to say nothing about what it must do to you as a person. I think I have been through a lot with my sz but that pales by comparison with active duty. My heart goes out to you guys. Frank. Grizz <loco…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:860nml$cs7$1@nnrp1.deja.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <19635-3883AA15…@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, > damod…@webtv.net wrote: > > –WebTV-Mail-10618-3227 > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Yes Al. > > I was in Pleiku from March 68 to March 69.. I never saw a dead american > > but when I looked up the men I was with I stopped at ten. Five were dead > > less then five years later. 50% died ithin five years. > > It wasn’t nice. > > We die from accidents you know. > > Much higher then the rest of the population for some reason. > > Yes it bothers me. > > Much of my life is reflected from my measely little year in Nam. > > Searching vietnamese and vehicles for military contaband can be > > stessful. > > It was for me but I am treated as a cry baby because I didn’t see dead > > americans. I seen a couple flip out screaming and trashing the place now > > and then. I went meny days without sleep. > > I was tantalized by my officers. > > But…I’m a cry babie. > > I don’t accept that. > > I’ll never kill for their moral authority again. I didn’t realize how > > the government works. I made a horrible mistake and wish I could take it > > all back. > > We had the highest ideals when we went there Al. > > Yeah I’m a vet. > > Damo > — > Nam changed a whole lot of people when the eyes were opened, most had a > hard time not so much from all the action which had a lot to do with it, > but in trying to adjust to things when we see it all in black and white > and realize that they hung one in us and played a lot of head games at > our expense. > Mine was just one of the companies that was in the wrong places at the > wrong time, I was A Company and the folks from B Company only came under > fire twice from a sniper and one man killed from friendly fire which is > all the action they saw, but my buddy from B company is still in bad > shape between the ears and would go insane if he did not stay busy, but > he still has PTSD to the extreem as his life was never the same after > being home, maybe the confusion when we want to believe in the cause but > know it was not honorable which just leaves the job and we did our job. > Crazy Lou > http://www.grizzadam.com/ > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
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In article <mxnh4.205263$5r2.560…@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Frank Levy" <frank…@netcom.ca> wrote: > I can’t imagine what it must have been like being there. I’m too young to > have been considered, plus I’m Canadian anyway. My only impression of what > it must have been like comes from my imagination and movies like Platoon. > It simply blows my mind. To be wrapped up in that whole kill or be killed > mentality must have been terrifying to say nothing about what it must do to > you as a person. I think I have been through a lot with my sz but that > pales by comparison with active duty. My heart goes out to you guys. > Frank.
– Platoon came close but no movie to date has captured it all. There was a good documentary on the Discovery channel about the 7th Calvary in Nam which was more like it was with us Infantry folks, just kind of strange that many of the nightmares had to do with snakes years later, everywhere you dug a foxhole we would end up sharing it with a bleeping snake or two. Can read an interview I had with a war coorespondant who I met up with years later even though we were not looking for each other, but he located the son of the Australian pilot who saved our asses, our own air support would have been too late. http://www.grizzadam.com/a_powell.htm I would probably go again if I were still in the military, but would have nothing to do with a belief in the cause since there wasn’t any worth dying for as we learned later when people came clean about all the blunders that got us involved in the first place and I think that is what eats at so many of us who have any dignity and values we have lived by, seeing it again in the present White House which makes us dirty even though we do not deserve to be identified with a President who is the most corrupt of any other in history, but it cheapens all of us to have people at the top who think with their glands and power crazed, but maybe it is a reflection of a nation that is in deep shit. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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<enter Jon> I can understand the sense of isolation/alienation/bitterness that some Vets have experienced. Regards, Jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frank Levy wrote in message … >I can’t imagine what it must have been like being there. I’m too young to >have been considered, plus I’m Canadian anyway. My only impression of what >it must have been like comes from my imagination and movies like Platoon. >It simply blows my mind. To be wrapped up in that whole kill or be killed >mentality must have been terrifying to say nothing about what it must do to >you as a person. I think I have been through a lot with my sz but that >pales by comparison with active duty. My heart goes out to you guys. >Frank. >Grizz <loco…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >news:860nml$cs7$1@nnrp1.deja.com… >> In article <19635-3883AA15…@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, >> damod…@webtv.net wrote: >> > –WebTV-Mail-10618-3227 >> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit >> > Yes Al. >> > I was in Pleiku from March 68 to March 69.. I never saw a dead american >> > but when I looked up the men I was with I stopped at ten. Five were dead >> > less then five years later. 50% died ithin five years. >> > It wasn’t nice. >> > We die from accidents you know. >> > Much higher then the rest of the population for some reason. >> > Yes it bothers me. >> > Much of my life is reflected from my measely little year in Nam. >> > Searching vietnamese and vehicles for military contaband can be >> > stessful. >> > It was for me but I am treated as a cry baby because I didn’t see dead >> > americans. I seen a couple flip out screaming and trashing the place now >> > and then. I went meny days without sleep. >> > I was tantalized by my officers. >> > But…I’m a cry babie. >> > I don’t accept that. >> > I’ll never kill for their moral authority again. I didn’t realize how >> > the government works. I made a horrible mistake and wish I could take it >> > all back. >> > We had the highest ideals when we went there Al. >> > Yeah I’m a vet. >> > Damo >> — >> Nam changed a whole lot of people when the eyes were opened, most had a >> hard time not so much from all the action which had a lot to do with it, >> but in trying to adjust to things when we see it all in black and white >> and realize that they hung one in us and played a lot of head games at >> our expense. >> Mine was just one of the companies that was in the wrong places at the >> wrong time, I was A Company and the folks from B Company only came under >> fire twice from a sniper and one man killed from friendly fire which is >> all the action they saw, but my buddy from B company is still in bad >> shape between the ears and would go insane if he did not stay busy, but >> he still has PTSD to the extreem as his life was never the same after >> being home, maybe the confusion when we want to believe in the cause but >> know it was not honorable which just leaves the job and we did our job. >> Crazy Lou >> http://www.grizzadam.com/ >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy.
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Yes Al. I was in Pleiku from March 68 to March 69.. I never saw a dead american but when I looked up the men I was with I stopped at ten. Five were dead less then five years later. 50% died ithin five years. It wasn’t nice. We die from accidents you know. Much higher then the rest of the population for some reason. Yes it bothers me. Much of my life is reflected from my measely little year in Nam. Searching vietnamese and vehicles for military contaband can be stessful. It was for me but I am treated as a cry baby because I didn’t see dead americans. I seen a couple flip out screaming and trashing the place now and then. I went meny days without sleep. I was tantalized by my officers. But…I’m a cry babie. I don’t accept that. I’ll never kill for their moral authority again. I didn’t realize how the government works. I made a horrible mistake and wish I could take it all back. We had the highest ideals when we went there Al. Yeah I’m a vet. Damo
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I was in Nam for 4 tours of duty from 68-74 was anyone else there? If so do you have problems with being in Nam? The world has surely changed. Al
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In article <38822817.8A07B…@earthlink.net>, Alfred Kimmel <akim…@earthlink.net> wrote: > I was in Nam for 4 tours of duty from 68-74 was anyone else there? If > so do you have problems with being in Nam? The world has surely > changed. > Al
– I was with the 22nd Infantry, 4th infantry Division 1966-67, losing half of my company in February-March of 1967. I was one of the more severe cases of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which ate me alive for thirty years and from time to time will still dream of talking to friends who were killed in action. I saw the need to devote a lot of time to PTSD in offering my own struggles that evolved into schizophrenia, although PTSD is not a mental illness. I have a few letters on my website from friends I served with who give their accounts of some of the same actions as they recall them, most of the guys I have contacted are 100% disabled with PTSD and living the same nightmares over and over, most very disfunctional socially with failed marriages and asking the same question I put to congress that if we have all been had, then where do we go to collect the kiss we never got. There is just a handful of us still alive today of the old company, some took their own life after being home and not able to adust to what they came home to, unlike the heros of the world wars who got a very different reception, but we had people like Clinton to deal with who protested the war and dodged the draft but does not hesitate to send soldiers to bleed and die in wars that make less sense and waste of human life. You will find some photos of Pleiku and Kontum on the website and a company roster listing the KIA and many of the WIA and hope the PTSD article will be of help, straight from the shoulder but can not afford to be any other way as we can not afford one moment of self pity or we are dead meat, have to knuckle down with it all and accept nothing less than winning, no compromise or neutral turf. Check out these pages: http://www.grizzadam.com/vietnam_diary.htm http://www.grizzadam.com/ptsd.htm http://www.grizzadam.com/g_verdier.htm http://www.grizzadam.com/r_lobus.htm http://www.grizzadam.com/p_braim.htm http://www.grizzadam.com/h_rodriquez.htm http://www.grizzadam.com/photo_gallery.htm http://www.grizzadam.com/twilight_zone.htm I was a career soldier, but gave up ten years in the military, very tempted to go back in after returning home to a new planet, as I had not seen a hippie until getting off of the plane in Oakland, CA where a small group of protestors blasted us with bags of human excrement and balloons they had pissed in, took years to get over that and to unload a whole lot of bitterness which is the poison that kills us little by little. I have a vet message board on the site that is still a virgin since nobody has used it yet as it is new and just for vets, having a seperate board for the public, feel free to let it all hang out there if you want and invite others to join you, all yours so go for it. can find it at this page——- http://www.paradise-web.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=louandgang Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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