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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Safe as Milk wrote: > In article <6694-3B6AFABA…@storefull-124.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, ufo > muse <alienlu…@webtv.net> wrote: > > It is a character disorder par none. The desire to use children to get > > attention by making them sick or even by killing them. Ramona Folley > > has not fixed the SCF…far from it. She was chosen by kaptain > > kitzhaber to replace the similar kay toran…but there has been no > > change. NO top to bottom investigation of the agency and more and more > > of the same ideology that state intervention is required even when all > > facts are lacking to save children. Ramona does just what Toran did. > > She allows her agents to subject childrent to treatments and drugging > > and cures that they dont need and have never been proven scientifically > > to need. This does cause harm to children….it is abuse. Romana > > Folley is a sick person not to allow the public an inside view of her > > agency from hell in an attempt to fix what was wrong..Instead she > > lobbied for more power for the agency to "screen babys at birth" > > …Munchausen by Proxy for babys is even worse than what has been going > > on. and what good will it do when the agency gives suidical homocidal > > mothers unsupervised visits with the children they plaln to kill? Its a > > joke Ramona.? > > NO its not a joke. You and your agency dont deserve any more power to > > commit your crimes. Negligence of this order for a family would be > > prosecuted as a crime…what kind of good parent are you Ramona? what > > kind? > > When the legislature decides its time to reveiw what this agency really > > has done to our children,…not what they boast they do, what they > > really do . please contact me and I will show you cause to thow a > > number of them in prison. > What on Earth are you talking about? I’m giving you the benefit of the > doubt that you’re not trolling.
He is talking about Ramona Foley, head of SCF, Oregon’s name for Gestapo CPS. Kidnappers of children from innocent families to place them, for profit, into foster care which has been proven to be eight to ten TIMES the risk of abuse, neglect and death as real families. > From the tenor of your post, you seem to have a personal vendetta > against the agency. Something happen to YOU that gets you worked into a > lather?
Seeing the gross injustices by this rogue agency is not enough for you? Or are you so naive as to actually believe that Gestapo CPS only deals with abusive families? Would it surprise you to know that the vast majority of removals are in cases where no actual abuse or neglect has ever happened? That the kids are removed solely for ‘at risk’ factors on a profiling chart created by paranoid delusional anti-parent and anti-family anti-male whacko extremists? Profiling, if you recall, is what has created the ‘crime’ of Driving While Black. On their ‘risk assessment tool’ any single father of a daughter is automatically ’substantiated’ as being ‘a risk’ for child abuse, solely for existing! > I have no doubt that SCF workers have at least occasionally made > mistakes.
85-95+% of the time is ‘at least occassionally’, huh? > They’re human, just like the rest of us.
So are the children and parents in the innocent families decimated by this rogue elephant in the china shop of civil, human, constitutional, due process and parental rights which are daily trampled by Gestapo CPS. > And you’re right if > you reply that they make decisions that change the lives of people, > sometimes in unpleasant ways, sometimes in the long term.
And as such they should be of the HIGHEST STANDARDS of substantiation when they make such, not by far the LOWEST as they are now! > I’ve worked for about three decades "inside" the system. I’ve > witnessed, first-hand, the brutality and suffering that parents have > inflicted upon their children.
SOME parents. Likely less than 2-3%. Yet Gestapo CPS punishes ALL parents for the acts of a few. And you seem to support this, or am I reading you wrong? > I’ve seen parents set their children up > for abuse of all kinds, if not directly administer it.
Foster ‘care’ is eight to ten (or MORE) TIMES the rate of such… yet you support Gestapo CPS kidnapping kids from innocent families where no abuse or neglect has occurred and placing them into such situations, huh? > I’ve worked with > adults who, years after their victimization from parent-initiated > abuse, still suffer from their trauma. I’ve witnessed these (now) > parents struggle against their traumatic experiences as they try (and > often fail) to give their own children a decent upbringing.
Ok, you have shown where your myopic anti-parent pro-Gestapo CPS viewpoint comes from. Do let us know when you think you can discuss the issue objectively, ok? > To dismiss SCF from the top down as purposefully inflicting suffering > and abuse is, IMO, an expression of severely distorted thinking, at > best.
You are entitled to your opinion, as in opposition to the facts in evidence as it may be. > In general, SCF’s mission is worthy; their execution of their > mission statements and objectives are well-intentioned, if occasionally > misguided.
Worthy, yes… well-intentioned? That is their claim… but as has been said before, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Misquided? Only if you consider Ted Bundy and Charles Manson to be ‘misguided’ instead of ‘guilty’. > But please understand that, for most caseworkers, it’s one > of the toughest, most stressful jobs on the planet.
People who routinely kidnap children from innocent parents and families to puff up their agency’s funding streams and who in doing so trample the civil, human, constitutional, due process and parental rights of innocent citizens have stress? Oh POOR BABIES! My heart just BLEEDS TORRENTS for them! And how much does THEIR heart bleed for the harm they cause? And even when they have been proven wrong they are still completely unrepentant! Look as an example at the witch hunt in Wenatchee, WA! The state has had to pay out MILLIONS, dozens of people served many years in prison when entirely innocent, many are STILL THERE! And yet Gestapo CPS and the state still refuse to admit they did anything wrong! > If you don’t think > so, then walk a mile in THEIR shoes: get yourself an appropriate > education and try it on for size.
Sorry, but I do not choose to kidnap children from innocent families for a living. Thanks, but no thanks. I advocate for the absolute abolition and eradication of Gestapo CPS on all levels, and returning the protection of all citizens, including children, to where it belongs. Out of the hands of wildeyed zealots who see child abuse behind every tree and under every rock. For what I mean, see: http://members.home.net/silverstorm/whatthen.htm — ============================================================= Home Page: http://members.home.net/silverstorm/ We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bobb wrote: > "Safe as Milk" <marj…@teleport.com> wrote in message > news:200820012255494486%marjian@teleport.com… > > In article <tmtsiuagcb6…@corp.supernews.com>, Fight CPS And Win > > <Fight_CPS_And_…@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > From the tenor of your post, you seem to have a personal vendetta > > > > against the agency. Something happen to YOU that gets you worked into > a > > > > lather? > > > What do you expect from people who have met child welfare agents head-on > and > > > seen the corruption first hand? It is quite a shock to Americans to > know > > > that government agents lie to get control of children, and that it is > all > > > financially motivated with adoption bounty payments to the states and > social > > > security fund Title IV-E money. > > > > I’ve worked for about three decades "inside" the system. > > > You have a financial profit-motive for supporting the child welfare > system > > > then, wouldn’t you say? > > You’re full of shit. > > S.a.M. > That wasn’t a very nice reply…
No, it wasn’t. But it is oh so typical of Gestapo CPS apologist replies. > and did nothing to enhance your unsavory position.
Nope.. just highlighted it. > I can understand not wanting to be part of the problem… so help > resolve it. End your career on a positive note. If you’re not in a > management position to do so by now… considering the vast turnover rate… > I would suggest you have no real understanding anyway and if you are in a > management position… you are the problem.
Absolutely! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> bobb > > > Linda Martin > > > Northern California > > > — > > > Fight CPS And Win > > > http://www.geocities.com/fightcpsandwin > > > Alliance for the Separation of School and State > > > http://www.sepschool.org > > — > > A free newsletter for academics, students, engineers, scientists & social > > scientists.Read the Internet Resources Newsletter at: > > http://www.hw.ac.uk/libWWW/irn/irn.html
– ============================================================= Home Page: http://members.home.net/silverstorm/ We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!
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Baloo Ursidae wrote: > Fight CPS And Win <Fight_CPS_And_…@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Discussion of Oregon’s SCF "Services for Children and Families" is not off > > topic here. You may want to close your eyes to the truth of government > > corruption harming families in your state, but there are plenty of activists > > who are unwilling for the issue to be dropped. > This is a cultural newsgroup, not an issues newsgroup. You are the > weakest link, goodbye. > — > Baloo
So you claim, naively, that Gestapo CPS does not in any way affect the culture of Oregon? ROTFLU! What a poltroon! — ============================================================= Home Page: http://members.home.net/silverstorm/ We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!
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Thank you for telling that pompous upstart with delusions of grandeur Baloo where to stick it, how far, and at what rotational speed to set it at. <chuckle> Fight CPS And Win wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Part of culture is that we have government agents taking children from their > natural families on trumped up false charges and giving them to unrelated > families for adoption, thereby qualifying Oregon for federal adoption bounty > incentive payments. You cannot separate the topic of culture from this > issue. > cul
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