Question:
Mr. Waltz writes: Go roll-breath or take a pill or something. You’re overwrought! -Steve
What does THAT mean? Overwrought is excessively nervous or aggitated. Generally when I write to or even think about you and your posts, I have a grin on my face. I could go into details, but that might prove to be insulting. So no, I’m not overwrought, but thanks for showing me your marvelous wit and your stunning ability to see right into the heart of matters. And also thanks again for proving my very point. You have no answers to give to my questions I’ve presented time and again so you roll off what could be another insult, which for the second time seems to be along the lines that it would be rather poetic if I got a panic attack from writing to you. What are you doing on a support group anyway? The Inquisitor By the grace of God almighty And the pressures of the marketplace The human race has civilized itself It’s a miracle -Roger Waters
Response:
Gee, Mr. Waltz, and I thought we were becoming friends! Still, many thanks for the "kind words". Uh-huh. I won’t debate Michael on this group.
You won’t debate me in public, but you’ll insult me in public? That’s cowadice, friend. That is nothing short of cowardice. You can insult me, my character, and my beliefs, because that’s "safe"… you don’t have to be rational, sane, coherant or logical to do so…. Hell, you don’t even have to be TRUTHFUL, as you’ve shown… but actually put our views together up for trial, so to speak? And Christ, the funny thing is I don’t even believe the debate really exists! After our email exchanges, I’ve come to believe that we adhere to basically the same philosophies (if what you wrote to me can be believed)… while we differ in what we BELIEVE works best, we have both written that one should DO WHATEVER works best. All the email messages… did you notice, I never really attempted to put up the question "What works better: lifestyle or medication?" Ya know why? Because we BOTH know the answer… the only debate we had behind the scenes was: "Why the Slander?" and "Is Slander Justified under this Circumstance?" I have had enough of his [the Inquistor's] persistent nonsense that you HAVEN’T seen, in email. So much so that I was ready yesterday to set his mail to bounce back to him in my delivery file, but he seems to have tapered off of his hobby-horse now. Maybe it gave him another PA. Not that I wish it, but it might be poetic at least!
Persistent nonsense? Well, I thought we had gotten past that point…. I wrote coherantly and without malice (with the possible exception of my first e-letter, which may have had a tint of something like anger), mostly frustrated and begging an answer to the question, "Why did I get the response I got for posting my own experiences?" Well, whatever. Was I the one spouting nonsense? Were you so reluctant to write me back? If either of these is true, I’d like to know why I got MANY letters back from YOU, most of them more than four printed pages, in response to my letters, which may or may not have been shorter than your replies, but certainly stuck to a single point. And if you were so reluctant and I was so nonsensical, why did you invite responses by ASKING me what my political views were in, oh, I suppose letter #6 or #7? Seems to me, if you’re not interested in email, you don’t write back, and you don’t invite replies. So knock that crap off. And I find it interesting that you’d theorize that a person could have a panic attack because of an EMOTIONAL strain, such as writing a letter. Do you mean to say that emotions can INDEED affect panic? Doesn’t that agree with my own position? Does that mean that if you control the emotions such as fear and anger, you can AVOID panic attacks? No, I didn’t have a panic attack, so you’ll have to save the poetry for another time; I just got seriously bored by your same ol’ twisted view of life. Michael the ‘Inquisitor’ doesn’t seem to be able to let go of my comments about people who blame victims and disparage people who "need" their medications.
I would agree that such people who blame victims and disparage med-taking people are idiots. Just as you an idiot for disparaging people who DON’T use drugs. But the whole damned point is that I DID NEITHER OF THESE. I wasn’t disparaging anyone for using drugs. I was disparaging the ARGUMENT that one MUST take drugs. It was you who disparaged people who chose NOT to take drugs. You, my son, were the one who to Simon’s post responded that it was imbecilic and stupid NOT to take drugs. By the way, what’s the Inquisitor? It’s my new signature, but I don’t remember what it means…. can you refresh my memory? Wasn’t it something about House-Renting or perhaps McCarthyism? He [The Inquisitor] doesn’t realize that I think that what he does is fine and telling others about it is fine, as long as he doesn’t disparage the medicinal treatments that have been a god-send to so many of us, blah blah blah.
Mr. Waltz the Kind and Good Protector of the drug-using community. Swell. As I’ve written, I never dispaged those who take drugs… I disparage the argument that it’s the ONLY WAY. I’ve been corresponding with a woman who wrote that her friend was telling her to throw out her drugs and get into a fitness scene. I told her not to let anyone, especially someone who never had a pa, tell her to stop taking medication if that’s what she needs. But the converse is also true, Mr. Waltz. I don’t care if his particular regimen works or not, as I tried so many things it would sound like a New-Ager on a binge to list them. None of them worked. So I have resolved, having a finite lifetime to be here and enjoy all this, to leave out nonsensical claims by people with no clinical studies behind them.
Nonsensical claims? Didn’t you just disparage those who choose a different path than yours? Christ, you seem to be the only one on this board who does any of the things you slander other people for. I suggest that people try all the things they want, but if they wish to get results, if they can GET the drugs, then TRY the drugs first! They can always try these various "folk remedies" supported only by anecdotal evidence all they want later.
Despite the disparaging comment about "folk remedies", I myself agree that people are best to try out the drugs first, because the early days on panic disorder are almost certainly the worst days, and it is important to have a little helping hand at such times. But I still believe drugs attack the symptom and not the disease, hence most people end up taking them their whole lives. And I believe that it is emotional in nature and can be beaten on that level. That’s my opinion and that comes from personal experience, just as your own opinions come from YOUR personal experience. Do allow us all to have our own opinions, Mr. Waltz. If you don’t share my views, then say so. If you don’t understand them, then ask me to explain. But don’t attack me as an asshole clown-monkey granola head or whatever, because I have legitimate, in not anecdotal, views based on what has worked for me. I’ve never discouraged ANYONE from taking ANY route. Unlike you. I would never run someone down for trying them ["folk remedies"], but I would say to them as a friend would intend, that they are being a fool
Yep, Mr. Waltz is Kind and Good and would never attack ANYONE for saying they found lifestyle changes to be a successful aleternative to drugs. Thank you for being my friend. Who the hell do you think you’re kidding? Let’s see, anything else. No that’s pretty much it… a short post this time. I’m actually proud of you, Stevie. A fairly well-thought out post. Take out the slander against myself, the lies and misstatements, and the propoganda, and you might actually have made a point. A real honest-to-god point. A nice alternative to your other posts. Fine job. And once again, thanks for the "Some kind words". The Inquisitor PS: It is possible to heighten the intensity of that signature? I mean, I wanna convey the feeling of a soundrack for a bad horror movie from the 50’s… like a weird and prophetic chord off a pipe organ or something. Perhaps Abbot and Costello Meet the Inquisitor? Know what I mean? By the grace of God almighty And the pressures of the marketplace The human race has civilized itself It’s a miracle -Roger Waters
Response:
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Steve, I’d just like to say, that I agree with your views and enjoy your posts immensely. Having Ag and pd for 9 yrs now, and been through hell and back with doctors who know nothing about the *disease*, I can tell you I was so happy to finally find a doc. with some sense. She is a specialist in pd and doesn’t go into the way mommy treated me or any other such bullshit…she straight out believes it is a chemical imbalance cause by the primitive part of the brain. She gives me the drugs i need without a sermon. I take a combination of Paxil and Klonopin, which she says is the best treatment to date. She also gives me xanax because they "kick in" quicker and are there if I need them. She is a great doc. but it took me] 9 yrs of suffering before i found her. One shrink even treated me for drug abuse rather than pd! Sheesh…Anyway, glad your back you make me feel better every time I read your posts…. …kelly Thanks, Kelly. I have had VERY similar experience with my PD so I know why you feel as I do. Michael the ‘Inquisitor’ doesn’t seem to be able to let go of my comments about people who blame victims and disparage people who "need" their medications. He doesn’t realize that I think that what he does is fine and telling others about it is fine, as long as he doesn’t disparage the medicinal treatments that have been a God-send to so many of us, and after truly HORRIBLE experiences with the medical establishment on average. I don’t care if his particular regimen works or not, as I tried so many things it would sound like a New-Ager on a binge to list them. None of them worked. So I have resolved, having a finite lifetime to be here and enjoy all this, to leave out nonsensical claims by people with no clinical studies behind them. I simply don’t have the time after a total of 14 years of this, only 5 and a half under correct treatment!! I suggest that people try all the things they want, but if they wish to get results, if they can GET the drugs, then TRY the drugs first! They can always try these various "folk remedies" supported only by anecdotal evidence all they want later. The two are NOT mutually exclusive, and I would never run someone down for trying them, but I would say to them as a friend would intend, that they are being a fool if they are suffering just to avoid the label of "drugs" that has been so misused by this english speaking culture, all of us, globally, all our culture has this misplaced puritanism. So I don’t care if you go to Mexico for phony cures or to the Phillipines for "psychic surgery" if you have cancer and you’re MY friend, but I would tell you to try chemotherapy FIRST and then try the others! Try the most LIKELY thing first and THEN feel free to play around if you must! I won’t debate Michael on this group. I have had enough of his persistent nonsense you HAVEN’T seen, in email. So much so that I was ready yesterday to set his mail to bounce back to him in my delivery file, but he seems to have tapered off of his hobby-horse now. Maybe it gave him another PA. Not that I wish it, but it might be poetic at least!
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