Trauma – PTSD

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Sounds a bit like hyperinsulinemia.  Especially the timing. There is management for this. It’s also called disassociation. If you are interested let me know. I’m an R.N. Medical Hypnotist and Educator. Eliz

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writes: Unfortunatly, my feelings of unreality make me terrified of taking medications because I’m afraid that they will make things seem even more unreal. I wish I could take Xanax for the panic, but if it made things seem more unreal than I would just panic worse. Talk about no escape …  :-(

Hi, the feelings of "unreality," which I suppose overwhelms you after a bout of extreme anxiety or panic, is a healthy response. You are *not* losing your mind. The feelings of unreality occurs because the mind is taking a "break" from the sensory overload of a panic attack. The mind temporarily blocks out part of the information it is receiving from the senses to sort out all of the information, and to elicit the para-sympathetic nervous system to counteract the feelings of "fight-or-flight." Hope this helps. Sincerely, O. Lee — Document Copyright (C)  | Key:   2047 bits (9/24/95)     —  + 0  —- 1995 by O. Lee. All     | "Pater noster Deo, in lumine     —  u  – rights reserved.        |  tuo videbimus lumen."          ooo  U  ooo

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<much snipped tosave bandwidth Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?  I don’t think I’ve described this very clearly.

I’m fairly certain that it isn’t a *result* of anxiety/panic (at least not in my case) as I can get it prior to an attack and even at times when I don’t have an attack at all. My feeling is that Andre is right in suggesting that it is produced by a brain dysnfunction of some kind – possibly (just a guess) whatever electro-chemical malfunction causes the panic response in the first place. — Gary Cooper

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<heavy snipping Your question has not been resolved by the medical community,

<much more heavy snipping         This may become a philosophical debate, but I beleive that

<even more heavy snipping Fine. That is all I wanted you to admit. That the medical profession has no idea what is true and that you have been stating *beliefs*. Had you not posted them as facts in the first place, I’d not have raised the issue. Ps. You’re wrong about the action of antidepressants, by the way. They do not work solely on 5-HT and it is by no means certain that this is the agent responsible for PD, if any agent is at all. — Gary Cooper

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Unfortunately, I know exactly what you guys are talking about.  I read once that it is normal, particularly in teen-agers, to get the exact feelings that Hilde described. I used to think I had more than PD, that I must be psychotic or something but I’ve described these feelings to doctors (what a chance I took there, eh?) and they look at me as though I’m weird but as long as you can tell them what day it is and you’re not hallucinating, they can’t explain it.   It does almost — "Always marry an April girl."  Ogden Nash

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had the attacks of strangeness I outline, very badly below? I got them as nightmares as a child, and as an adult during a fierce bout of flu. Gradually things change their aspect and texture. Everything about me, but particularly sounds take on a mocking, knowing significance that builds to an unbearable crescendo. Then it stops. It takes 10 minutes, so some chemical is presumably to blame. After my bout of flu I would get it in the day, even when walking. If I talk to someone it disappears magically. Gradually the attacks become less frequent and then stop. I haven’t had one for years. My family seemed to know what it was, so it’s probably genetic/biochemical. My mother said "the bed-clothes feel thick". I know this is not PD (I get that and it’s quite different), so I’m off-topic, but I don’t know where else to put it. If I heard voices I suppose they would be mocking and taunting me but I don’t. So it’s not schizophrenia. Anyhow the bouts last 10 minutes, so that wouldn’t make sense. If you read the chapter "Sick Boy" in "Cider with Rosie" by Laurie Lee, you’ll find a brilliant description of the feeling. My childhood nightmares caused by high temperature were never about monsters, but always entailed HAVING to do something that was obviously IMPOSSIBLE. They were terrifying beyond words, and the terror is present in the daytime attacks. I’ve been longing to ask someone about it. Anybody out there get this?

Hi Fred: I know this well!  First episode I can remember is when I was at boarding school (was sent there at age three and a half – terrifying!).  Many, many times had this experience, but very rarely these days thank goodness.  Last really bad one I had was when I was all drugged up on morphine after surgery – horrific PAs ensued! Also had terrible nightmares during my childhood – sometimes I wasn’t asleep though!     Whole other story that. Mally  :)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I believe attacks of strangeness also have to do with PD. I have these side-effects too. I hear voices slowly speaking or fast and all the material around me seems to feel strange. Sometimes I look at the face of my boyfriend (that usually looks great and suddenly I am afraid of him. Or I look at my feet, and I feel like they don’t belong to me. I think it has to do with some chemical in the brain (either to little of it or too much) maybe you can compare it with a bad trip on drugs. Not that I have ever taken that. Does someone agree with me on this? When you start breathing the wrong way, or start being scared your body and mind will do strange things to you. I for example heared that people who are running a lot (jogging) get addicted to it too. They say it makes them feel great and if they don’t run for a day they feel sick. I am sorry if my english story makes you a little confused, but I think you know what I mean. Hilde

This is how my panic disorder started! I suddenly started having feelings that everything around me was unreal… it felt like I was dreaming. These feelings terrified me (thought I was going crazy for sure) and I started having panic attacks. I’ve been to a few psychologists and the closest thing they could come up with to explain my feelings of unreality was Disassociative Disorder. I wonder about that diagnosis though because I do not have out of body experinces or MPD, just feelings of unreality. Unfortunatly, my feelings of unreality make me terrified of taking medications because I’m afraid that they will make things seem even more unreal. I wish I could take Xanax for the panic, but if it made things seem more unreal than I would just panic worse. Talk about no escape …  :-(

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. I hear voices slowly speaking or fast and all the material around me seems to feel strange Please correct me if I’m wrong you guys, but I dont think *hearing voices* is part of Panic Disorder.  Isnt that something else? . Sometimes I look at the face of my boyfriend (that usually looks great and suddenly I am afraid of him. Or I look at my feet, and I feel like they don’t belong to me. I think it has to do with some chemical in the brain (either to little of it or too much) maybe you can compare it with a bad trip on drugs. Not that I have ever taken that. Does someone agree with me on this?

With me….it was my arm didnt belong to me.  Very weird feeling!  And I have been carrying on a conversation with someone and all of a sudden I feel strange, I cant look at the person without feeling fear, and the derealitization sets in.  I still have this problem occassionaly. When you start breathing the wrong way, or start being scared your body and mind will do strange things to you. I for example heared that people who are running a lot (jogging) get addicted to it too. They say it makes them feel great and if they don’t run for a day they feel sick.

I quit jogging……because it was bad for my health.  My thighs rubbed together so much, my underwear caught on fire!  :) I am sorry if my english story makes you a little confused, but I think you know what I mean. Hilde

Quit apologizing for your English!  Your posts are very easy to read and understand. I must say….some of the ones written by my fellow Americans have me stumped….way over my head sometimes!   Cyndie

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Bronson) writes: Oh yes.  Sometimes my world gets very surreal in many different ways. I feel "disconnected" or even sometimes straight out catatonic.  This effects me more after a nap or when tired during the daytime.

I can not take a nap….afterwards I feel like I’m in the "twighlight zone". Cyndie

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Hi, I believe attacks of strangeness also have to do with PD. I have these side-effects too. I hear voices slowly speaking or fast and all the material around me seems to feel strange. Sometimes I look at the face of my boyfriend (that usually looks great and suddenly I am afraid of him. Or I look at my feet, and I feel like they don’t belong to me. I think it has to do with some chemical in the brain (either to little of it or too much) maybe you can compare it with a bad trip on drugs. Not that I have ever taken that. Does someone agree with me on this? When you start breathing the wrong way, or start being scared your body and mind will do strange things to you. I for example heared that people who are running a lot (jogging) get addicted to it too. They say it makes them feel great and if they don’t run for a day they feel sick. I am sorry if my english story makes you a little confused, but I think you know what I mean. Hilde

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Has anyone had the attacks of strangeness

Oh yes.  Sometimes my world gets very surreal in many different ways. I feel "disconnected" or even sometimes straight out catatonic.  This effects me more after a nap or when tired during the daytime. Back in my teenage/college party animal/gigolo wannabe/recreational drug user/part time drunk days, I used to use a lot of hallucinogens. The strangeness trips to me are not unlike acid trips in the way things feel strange or weird.  Only I used to enjoy that feeling at one time in my life.  Now it only causes anxiety. well, anyways, just my opinion. jIM bRONSON

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Has anyone had the attacks of strangeness I outline, very badly below? I got them as nightmares as a child, and as an adult during a fierce bout of flu. Gradually things change their aspect and texture. Everything about me, but particularly sounds take on a mocking, knowing significance that builds to an unbearable crescendo. Then it stops. It takes 10 minutes, so some chemical is presumably to blame. After my bout of flu I would get it in the day, even when walking. If I talk to someone it disappears magically. Gradually the attacks become less frequent and then stop. I haven’t had one for years. My family seemed to know what it was, so it’s probably genetic/biochemical. My mother said "the bed-clothes feel thick". I know this is not PD (I get that and it’s quite different), so I’m off-topic, but I don’t know where else to put it. If I heard voices I suppose they would be mocking and taunting me but I don’t. So it’s not schizophrenia. Anyhow the bouts last 10 minutes, so that wouldn’t make sense. If you read the chapter "Sick Boy" in "Cider with Rosie" by Laurie Lee, you’ll find a brilliant description of the feeling. My childhood nightmares caused by high temperature were never about monsters, but always entailed HAVING to do something that was obviously IMPOSSIBLE. They were terrifying beyond words, and the terror is present in the daytime attacks. I’ve been longing to ask someone about it. Anybody out there get this?

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